Idea

Representative Officers for liberation groups ( LGBT+ Women BAME)

by Scott Johnston 26 April 2017, 22:42

Category: Summit

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We want to ensure that student representation and participation at the guild is as high as possible. The guild is there for all students to feel that they have a union to represent them. Liberation groups can often face unique struggles within academia and university life. This is why it is important that they are represented and they feel they are represented in university year in and year out. 

We propose that this happen via representative officers, meaning no matter who is elected into the 4 positions as sabbatical officers, you will always have an officer for these liberation groups, and it is not limited to sex/gender: many universities have LGBT+ officers and BAME officers. 

These officers are not a new idea, and have been in other prestigious universities for some time, Manchester, Oxford, Cambridge and many more have these officers, and they work well. The officers will work in a liaison capacity with the guild to ensure that issues effecting the liberation groups are represented and listened to. 

We would like to ensure this is discussed as soon as possible so that it can be implemented sooner rather than later.

We would like to see these officers brought in to maximise representation and participation at the guild, without sacrificing representative democracy, meaning that ALL liberation groups can be considered. 

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    Rhiannon Farrell   wrote, 28-04-2017 - 14:06

    http://www.liverpoolguild.org/articles/let-s-talk-liberation Yas mentions some great points on ways liberation groups should be represented

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    Lucy Pilling   wrote, 28-04-2017 - 14:06

    This would mean relying on one part time women's officer to represent the struggles of 12 thousands students, which is a massive burden and incredibly problematic, and these types of officers would all be unpaid as well which just shows how the work of marginalised groups is never recognised or rewarded. Full time officers are necessary to make sure that they consider liberation groups in their work. It's not just for the token student rep. This was all shown in Yasmin’s previous change it petition which came from the focus groups she organised for liberation groups where this was discussed. Please Scott Johnson stop telling women what they need and listen to what they ask for. http://www.liverpoolguild.org/articles/let-s-talk-liberation https://www.liverpoolguild.org/thestudentvoice/gender-balanced-representation

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    Alex Kendrick   wrote, 28-04-2017 - 15:48

    This idea is inherently undermining all the hard work and commitment Yasmin, one of our current elected student officers, has been putting into establishing representation within the student officer structures of the guild. She has spent a lot of time researching, speaking to students who identify with marginalized groups and has a year of experience working in the role herself so understands the structures, and most importantly the responsibility placed upon student officers. Full time officers are necessary in order to devote the time and effort needed in representing and supporting marginalized groups on campus. The bottom line is that those who can identify with one or more of these liberation groups that you have suggested should be able to shape their own representation on campus. Speaking for, and undermining those voices is hugely contributing to the problem.

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    Jonathan Burnell   wrote, 28-04-2017 - 16:31

    Referring to the above comments; Why are women represented at so weak as to need special representation? The voting power of women in this university eclipses that of men and women simply did not choose to vote for female candidates. Lucy, what makes you think that you speak for women as a group? Women are not the homogenous group that you represent them as being. As for marginalised groups at this university, how are any groups marginalised on this campus? BAME groups are represented by the current officers and women have the voting power that outweighs that of men. What an absolute steaming pile of poppycock is spouted in this institution.

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    Ananda Mohan   wrote, 28-04-2017 - 17:04

    Hi John, Marginalization can happen without being noticed. While the current officer group is representative of BAME, many previous officer groups in succession have been unrepresentative. Also, I would strongly ask you to reconsider using such language. This are valid views and we need to respect them

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    Jonathan Burnell   wrote, 28-04-2017 - 17:32

    Hello Ananda, are you attempting to undermine my arguments by misspelling my name? On the topic of language, I refute your "strong recommendation" to change my language. It is not offensive in any way, and reflects my view that the guild wastes time and money on issues that divide us, instead of what unites us. The previous election has been turned into an issue of gender when none of the candidates attempted to make it about gender.

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    Alexander Lyke   wrote, 28-04-2017 - 18:48

    he problem I find in university, particularly in student unions, is the mass accumulation of those with a paper maché self esteem, third wave feminism (especially when saturated by zealots) tends to focus solely on individual identity as opposed to influencing political change on a large scale. So commonly 3rd wave feminism chooses to ignore fundamental issues such as the plight of women in middle eastern theocracies, which is scarcely discussed due to cultural relativism. It's frightening when people want want to undermine democracy, one of the pillars of a liberal society. If such people want to give everyone a voice, then why attempt to undermine democracy? Unfortunately it seems that in student unions that divisive identity politics seems to be the way forward, supported by a narrative of perpetual victimhood. I will have to back up Johnno here, it's a word, and perhaps my alleged privilege renders me incapable of recognising it as offensive, however that is what I believe it is not.

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    Alexander Lyke   wrote, 28-04-2017 - 19:13

    *With typos corrected* - The problem I find in university, particularly in student unions, is the mass accumulation of those with a paper mâché self esteem, third wave feminism (especially when saturated by zealots) tends to focus solely on individual identity as opposed to influencing political change on a large scale. So commonly 3rd wave feminism chooses to ignore fundamental issues such as the plight of women in middle eastern theocracies, which is scarcely discussed due to cultural relativism. It's frightening when people want to undermine democracy, one of the pillars of a liberal society. If such people want to give everyone a voice, then why attempt to undermine democracy? Unfortunately it seems that in student unions that divisive identity politics seems to be the way forward, supported by a narrative of perpetual victim-hood. I will have to back up John here, it's a word, and perhaps my alleged privilege renders me incapable of recognising it as offensive, however that is what I believe it is not.

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    Filip Krawczyk   wrote, 10-05-2017 - 11:04

    So you want to force on university to choose someone to represent cis gender, trans gender, gender neutral, gender fluid, no gender, asexual, gay, lesbian? If there are no people to represent them, stop that.

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    Emma Nibbs Guild Democracy Coordinator   wrote, 10-05-2017 - 16:04

    Thanks for your idea. Over the nine months, one of our Vice Presidents, Yasmin Gasimova, has been focussed on understanding how best to support LGBT+ students, people of colour, disabled students and women to organise, and have their voices heard on matters that are of importance to them. This has included researching what other students’ unions do as well as holding focus groups with students. The collation of this research is ongoing and will be pulled together in a final report with a series of recommendations to be presented to the student body at the start of next year. As such, we believe that it would be most appropriate for this proposal to introduce liberation officers to be discussed at the start of next semester once this research has been completed. The research and report will give students a research basis on which to make their decision.

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    Hannah Nguyen   wrote, 11-10-2019 - 17:32

    The Guild is setting up networks for women, LGBTQ+, disabled, BAME, international, mature and postgraduate students. Information about upcoming meetings can be found on our website (https://www.liverpoolguild.org/events?event_type=networks&search=) and you can email me to be added to the mailing lists for each network (hannah.nguyen@liverpool.ac.uk).

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