Liverpool Guild of Students supports a People’s Vote!

by Jonathon Foster 18 December 2018, 10:53

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As the deadline for Brexit negotiations gets ever closer, it is becoming increasingly clear that the Government is in disarray and Parliament is reaching deadlock on the Prime Minister’s deal. The impact of Brexit will be vast and varying, and the impact on students will be particularly palpable.


This Guild Notes:

  • Polling by YouGov has demonstrated a clear backing for a People’s Vote on the Brexit negotiations, with 45% in favour of a People’s Vote, and 35% in opposition. This rises to 50% in favour, and 25% in opposition if talks break down and the UK is set to leave without any deal.
  • Until the UK has left the EU, the Article 50 letter can be withdrawn as this merely set the UK’s intention to leave the EU.
  • The European Court of Justice has ruled that the UK can ‘cancel Brexit’ without requesting permission from the other 27 EU Member States.
  • 70% of 18 – 24-year olds voted to remain in the EU.
  • In the long term, it is likely that students from the EU will have to pay higher tuition fees in line with fees applied to students from outside the EU; increasing annual fees for EU students at the University of Liverpool from £9,250 to approximately £19,074 per academic year on average.
  • The UK might lose access to the Erasmus+ scheme which, although is not dependant on EU membership, has not been guaranteed post-Brexit. This could have a significant impact on Study Abroad options at the University of Liverpool, potentially eliminating some international opportunities for students.
  • The UK will lose access to vital EU research funding, which will have a significant impact on the standing of UK Universities in the global rankings, therefore impacting student prospects and quality of education.


This Guild Believes:

  • The current proposed Brexit deal is unsatisfactory and does not satisfy the needs of students at the University of Liverpool.
  • Brexit is not inevitable, and it is clear that the current trajectory of negotiations will leave students and young people across the UK worse off now and in the future.
  • Numerous promises that were made about Brexit in the initial referendum campaign have been proved to be false. This has led to 47% Britons now believing that remain would win the 2016 vote if it were to happen now, in comparison to a mere 29% believing that leave would win (YouGov, 2018).
  • In a functioning democracy, the electorate should have the right to change their minds; it’s clear that the Brexit that people voted for in 2016 is not the Brexit that will be delivered the Government continues on their current course.
  • That the British public should have the opportunity to vote on the terms of Brexit and have a final say, in the form of a ‘People’s Vote’.


This Guild Resolves:

  • Liverpool Guild of Students should actively engage in campaigning for a referendum on the terms of the Brexit deal (a ‘People’s Vote’); and once announced, should campaign to remain in the European Union.
  • Liverpool Guild of Students should support the campaign activity of organisations such as ‘For our Future’s Sake’ and the ‘People’s Vote Campaign’.
  • Liverpool Guild of Students should support the campaign activity of the National Union of Students in supporting the movement for a People’s Vote.
  • Liverpool Guild of Students Vice President, Jonathon Foster, should be mandated to lead these efforts in campaigning for a People’s Vote and supporting the efforts of students and organisations calling for a People’s Vote.


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    Charlie Hall   wrote, 19-12-2018 - 16:56

    Brexit may be awful, but we've had a vote. We can't just decide to have another just because we don't like the result. We must not alienate the (over) half of the country that decided to leave. The remain campaign was almost as dishonest as the leave campaign. Also, I am not enamoured at all with the idea of sharing a platform ('the peoples vote') with murderous war criminals such as Tony Blair.

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    Luke Evans   wrote, 20-12-2018 - 10:02

    I would not allign myself with Tony Blair nor Boris, but that is the reality of a split decision. All parties are to blame for brexit but it will be the poor who suffer the most. If people really believe in democracy then what is wrong with asking the people if they have changed their mind whilst they still have a chance to do something about it. Happens all the time within business. People will suggest a partnership, a deal will be agreed between parties but unless signed off by the board of directors it doesnt happen. They are not our leaders, they are out representatives for this deal and they should be asking their leaders (us) what we want to do.

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    David Naylor   wrote, 20-12-2018 - 20:01

    i'd rather the guild focus on doing something about mitigating the disastrous effects of Universal Credit on vulnerable people across Merseyside. How will remaining in an unformed EU- the inevitable consequence of a 'remain' vote in a people's vote- do anything to alleviate working class alienation at neo-liberal globalization ?

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    Christopher Pridgeon   wrote, 21-12-2018 - 14:46

    There is really no valid reason to proceed with Brexit and there never was, the campaign itself is based on false information and is driven by xenophobia. People with a vastly over-inflated sense of the UK's position on the world stage perhaps based of visions of 'the glory days of the empire' or 'the war' have been tricked into believing the pure fantasy that a small nation would be better off isolating itself from it's closest neighbours. The reality of the situation is that a few politicians have decided to make a point of whipping these people up into a frenzy then 'delivering on their promises', just this once right? The people of the UK will be worse off after Brexit, regardless of whether there is a deal or not. Asking people to vote on Brexit again now that we are clear what it will likely mean is the best scenario to either get off this trainwreck-waiting-to-happen, or double down. If people have changed their minds, there's nothing wrong with that and if the people that wanted to leave, still want to leave then another vote will change nothing.

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    Miles Tragen   wrote, 16-01-2019 - 15:21

    I'm pro-brexit. Yes it will result in short-term economic instability due to the lack of certainty (we are the first country to do so) but this doesn't mean the UK will suffer from brexit, rather it will (especially in the long term when our student days a long behind us) allow the UK to thrive. The reasoning the leaflet cited for supporting the peoples vote are largely incorrect. Study Abroad opportunities would not be significantly limited, we have some of the best and most sought after universities in the world and as a result many countries would want the UK to provide their students with visas to study here in the UK. Foreign countries would not expect the UK to offer student visas to their citizens if they didnt offer the same in return for UK students wanting to study abroad. Moreover, our university is particularly well connected with China, Canada and America, countries which are not members of the EU and so ones that would not be affected by Brexit. As the UK puts more money into the EU than it gets in return (although the exact number is difficult to calculate we know we defo put in more) it is fair to say that any EU funding, such as funding Liverpool gained when made the EU city of culture, could equally be provided directly by the UK government rather than it being diverted to the EU and then back to us. For example, Hull gained significant funding when it became the UK city of culture, the UK should be able to control the movement of all its funds to projects of its choice, not that by the EU. The idea that people who voted for brexit are xenophobic is also a false claim. UKIP and Brexit supporters wanted to control the border, not close it we're not BNP or EDL supporters. Immigrants make a great deal of contribution to the country, especially in the NHS, and are certainly a good thing but its fair to say you can have too much of a good thing and over population is a real concern especially as we are a small country when compared to bigger countries like Germany. Countries should have the right to control their boarders, if an electorate vote in a government that support freedom of movement they should get open borders, such as the Germans. But if a country votes in a government that wants restricted immigration like Hungary, the hungarian government should be able to implement its mandate and not told what to do by the EU. The EU was originally the ECC when we joined, it was about trade not politics and frankly its a very logical decision of ours to not want to be a part of it anymore. A final argument in favour of leave is due to how the protectionism of EU states have screwed over those in LEDCs in Africa. When Spain had a bad year producing oranges their supply was less and so prices rose. African, South American and Middle Eastern countries that also produce oranges should have been able to take advantage of Spain's shortfall and offered their products at a cheaper price than Spain's. This would both support these LEDCs and but also support the UK's poorest, ensuring prices for products stay low. This applies to all products, solar panels sold at a high price by Germany mean tariffs are placed on cheaper Chinese alternatives. This is simply dumb. and I don't understand why anyone would want to remain. We voted leave for a reason, so now it is team we left. The only 2nd referendum we should be discussing is if we should have a referendum on May's deal or no deal but remain is no longer an option and cannot be considered.

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    Harry Dwyer   wrote, 16-01-2019 - 16:14


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